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Body Beast is for LOSERS!

Sagi Kalev Body BeastHow about that title to get some people going!?! That’s right, I think Body Beast is for losers. People who want to lose weight that is…

Everyone knows that Body Beast in its design is for gaining mass. The program is designed to pack on some serious weight. If you do the work eating and lifting, it will reward you will larger muscles and tighter shirts. But what about the guy or gal who is really interested in Body Beast but needs to still lose weight? They can still use Body Beast and get great results! Let me show you how.

LEAN Beast

“Hey Coach Wayne, can I just do LEAN Beast?… I have like 20 lbs I want to lose.” The simple answer is no. LEAN Beast, if done by the book, is still set up with 8 weeks of bulking at the start. You will still gain some fat with your bulk and will only really cut for 4 weeks during the BEAST phase. That will result at best with you gaining muscle, but ending with the same 20 lbs to lose. Your hard work will still be covered with fat! That’s not going to cut it.

Nutrition: Common Ground
For all of Beachbody’s programs, the biggest influence on losing weight is consistently running a calorie deficit. The type of exercise that makes up the various programs will influence the results, but nowhere to the degree that proper nutrition will. So if you want to get ripped with the Beast, and you aren’t ripped already, BEAST UP with a deficit!

From the Book of BEAST, let’s take a look at the caloric need calculations. Steps 1 through 5 lay out how to calculate your needed Calorie Intake to Maintain Weight (CIM).

Step 1: [100 – BF%]/100 x weight = Lean Body Mass (LBM)
Step 2: LBM x 10 = Resting Metabolic Rate (RMR)
Step 3: RMR x 0.3 = Caloric Modification for Recovery (CMR)
Step 4: RMR + CMR = Resting Metabolic Rate Modified for Recovery (RMR2)
Step 5: RMR2 + 600 = Calorie Intake to Maintain Weight (CIM)

The last 600 calories is an average burn from the workouts. At this point you have calculated what you need to maintain weight. But if you goal is to lose fat and get ripped with the Beast, we need to adjust the CIM.

To lose about a pound of fat a week, you need to average a deficit of 500 calories/day. I recommend setting your deficit between 500-1000 calories/day. The other big difference you will want, as compared to the typical Beast, you don’t want to eat 25%P/50%C/25%F. The best fat loss will still happen with high protein and Fat Shredder (50%P/30%C/20%F).

Why Fat Shredder?
Diets high in protein do a lot for you. First off the protein is great at keeping you satisfied and full between meals as you are at a calorie deficit. The protein’s main role and benefit is protein synthesis. You need dietary protein to build protein in your muscles. Your body breaks down the proteins you eat into amino acids and in turn uses those amino acids to build protein in your muscles. You want to lose weight, but not at the cost of your muscles! You want to maintain all the muscle mass you have! Your diet and lifting will allow you to do just that. Finally, protein is very inefficient for your body to use as fuel. It makes your body work very hard to process it. This gives protein a thermogenic effect and people who have higher protein diets have been shown to burn more calories in a day than people with low protein diets (even when at the same caloric intake).

Don’t I Need More Cardio?
I am sure you’ve heard it, that “nutrition is 80% of your results.” Do you believe it? If you get your nutrition dialed in and run your deficit you will lose. Beyond that, the Beast is intense! You will be sweating up a storm and burning tons of calories. Not only that, but you will be building muscle which will burn more calories throughout the day (this is where the type of exercise is important). High intensity training also raises your RMR for long after the workout. The teamRIPPED Beasts have had burns ranging from 400-800 calories, and all of these workouts are under 50 minutes. That’s awesome! Sagi chimed in and said, “The thing about the workouts are that you will be burning calories for the next 36 hours more then any cardio workout. That’s why eating and following the plan with the Supps is huge in the Beast. Beast mode is on. That’s bad ass guys. SK.” He was more worried about people burning too many calories to gain! So what do you think the Body Beast workouts will do for cutting? Get ready to get ripped!

Be a LOSER with Body Beast

So if you still have some weight to lose, you can do Body Beast. You just need to adjust your nutritional goals. As I said in Big Ripped v. Small Ripped, I still recommend having a single goal. Either go for fat loss or muscle building. Trying to do both is a very slow process and can be very discouraging. Instead, get ripped with Body Beast and then BEAST UP with a bulking round! The important thing is that you will have a program to get excited about. If Body Beast really interests you, DO IT! That is just another thing that Beachbody does so well, they make the absolute best programs no matter what your goals or interests!

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213 comments
Jim54
Jim54

I am very tall and thin do not put on overall bulk well. Will this system work for me? I also don't have much time as I work 14 hours a day.

triksy
triksy

Hello Im on week 3 of insnaity, I just order my body beast program to dio it after i finish insanity, I have 30% body but i dont look fat lol and it is mainly in my abs i wanto to do body beast to see if it helps me loose that fat on my abs but at the same time gain some muscle on arms, legs, butt

Should i o the deficit caloric intake you recommend?

Bjank510
Bjank510

Hey I actually have a question, I don't have a bench and therefore I can't do the chest workout right now.  If I'm planning on getting a bench in a few weeks do you think it would be alright to substitute the body beast chest workout with P90x Chest and Back for the time being???

Telor
Telor

Hi Coach,


Just some background info, I have done 2 rounds of p90x insanity hybrid. I have gotten great results from it but I would like to expedite my results. My aim is not to be skinny fat but more athletic looking. 


For someone 5 8 and 205 lbs... with a BMI of 25% based on my waist calculation... Which do you think is a faster route to lose fats and preserve muscle? Body Beast or P90X3? I have heard pure weight lifting is best for fat loss because: 1) having more muscle increases your BMR and 2) it takes calories to repair the and build muscle even after the workout is over. 


I know diet accounts for 80% of results but i am just wondering which exercise program X3 or BB would be best for the remaining 20%. Thanks Coach!

usafsfvet
usafsfvet

Coah Wayne,

Wanted to obtain some advice.  I am 6ft, 220lbs, and a 36 inch waist.  I calculated my BMI and it estimates it to be at 29%.  I don't feel like I'm obese.  Yes, I can stand to lose more weight, but I would also like to start weight lifting and I have often heard about the effectiveness of Body Beast. 

I came across your article about the ability to lose fat while doing Body Beast by going the fat shredder route with calorie deficit.  I am glad that is possible, but I have to ask...is my BMI too much to consider this program?  Prior to considering Body Beast, I completed p90x and lost 35lbs as a result. 5lbs were added during Christmas break, hence being 220lbs currently. 

Is it possible to do Body Beast and also double with P90X3?  Would both of those together negate eachother?  Any advice you could provide would be appreciated.  Thanks and take care.

The_Jaker
The_Jaker

Hey Coach Wayne,

I am starting BB in 30 days, after finishing Asylum Vol 2.  I am 35, 5'11 and currently at 154lb with around 12-15% BF.  I am starting to see definition in my chest and some abs are popping out, and i expect to see more of that in 30 days. 

I did the BB calculations and it has me at 2700 calories.  I mapped out a diet plan hitting the correct macro ratios and all the different food types, and I think I am ready to go.  I am curious what you think about those numbers?  I am shooting for looking like you in your after picture. 

Also, I currently have dumbbells up to 20lb, so I know I need more.  Would you suggest getting 25's and 30's?  I noticed also you didn't take the Super Suma and I wasn't going to either.  I plan to take whey protein, waxy maize, and creatine, and maybe casein at night.

Just wanted your thoughts on all that, I know it's all over the place.  Thanks!

mikey
mikey

hi coach wayne as of now i have done body beast the past 6 month i love the workouts and how i feel afterwards. i am owner of other beachbody programs you know p90x and insanity asylum etc but i really love strength training i then bought t25 to mix in 2 times a week with the beast cardio i have ben doing the lean rotation but today a thought just popped into my head is there anny athletic or functional  benefits to body beast  other than they describe beast cardio as a performance oriented workout.

thank you happy new year 

Shell_Buck
Shell_Buck

Thank you for posting this. I have at least 30 pounds to lose, maybe 40 and I'm a woman. First of all, I have no desire to look all bulk and manly. I just want to lose weight, look strong, and be toned. But a lot of people have been telling me that I should just quit Beast and do cardio until I get down to my desired BF. This article has helped me. I love Sagi and Body Beast and I really want to continue doing it. I've been doing it about 2 weeks now. But I noticed I wasn't looking any different. Feeling stronger, sure. But I thought at least I would start to notice something..granted it is only 2 weeks. So I'm going to try your method above. I use Myfitnesspal so I'm going to try to up my protein and change the carbs/fats. Do you recommend cutting fruit? It seems to be adding a lot of sugar to my diet. I also noticed even gluten free grains are pretty high carbs, so I might have to cut back on those for awhile.

Alex
Alex

Hey @CoachWayne,

I currently have up to 45 lbs in dumbbells, a weight bench, and a chinup bar. Am I good to do the beast or do I need more weight? Also, my physician recommended that I get at least 50g of healthy fats a day in order to help me stay focused during school. Could run the same deficit at the body beast 40/30/30 p/c/f ratio and still lose fat?

Thanks for your help as always 

Bear O
Bear O

Great!  Thanks for the quick reply.  Got a line a very nicely priced cage (for safety) and now I can pull the trigger.

Bear O
Bear O

Going to start another bulking round in a couple weeks and have a quick question.  If the dumbbells that I have aren't heavy enough for some of the  movements (chest press, squats, deadlifts)  can I substitute with a straight bar and plates?  Thanks.

Sam91
Sam91

hii my name is sammy andrews

i want to start body beast and my body type is endomorph 101kg 26 %BF how many calories do i have to take? and for how long.

KhaledEldeeb1
KhaledEldeeb1

Hey Coach, how are you? Haven't wrote you in a long time :) As you know, my biggest problem is losing the fat, I always struggle with that, but right now I am at a low fat %. Not where I want to be, but I am at a a good place with the fat. I am kind of annoyed that I am neither ripped, nor do I have the slightest amount of muscles (I traveled to india with a lot of fat, and lost 12 kgs in 3 weeks, mostly muscle I guess.) So I want you to tell me with your best judgment which program I should do now.. I want to be very ripped, that is my priority, but I want to be ripped while having SOME muscle, kind of like models bodies, or shaun T (maybe a little bigger). I want my arm to be showing that I workout, you know what I mean? Please check your email, I will send you a picture of myself right now, and tell me what program (and what other program to do after that program) will best get me to my goals, and what nutrition plan to follow. Please be specific :) waiting for your reply.

Jeremy F
Jeremy F

Hey coach, if I were to use Beast to cut, would you recommend doing huge or lean beast, or does it not matter?

coachjavyperez
coachjavyperez

Did you do a full Beast round? Or did you review the workouts and did a hybrid with another workout program?

apv
apv

Thanks coach!

apv
apv

Thanks coach! I think I will buy body beast next week when I get paid. What is your advice for the supplements I should take while doing this? Also what is your opinion on the select tech 1090s? I haven't seen them in person and am worried they will be to long. But know 50lbs won't be enough. Any advice will help, thanks again!! Oh and do you think my pull up numbers will go down on the beast?

apv
apv

Hey coach, I am trying to decide whether or not to purchase body beast. I currently have p90x, x2, asylum vols. 1&2. I love the x2 workouts more than any other type of workout but I feel as if I am "too skinny". I am about 8% bf (goes up and down from 7 to 9 depending on my diet for the phases) but my arms just feel small. I have never had big arms even when I was overweight. But I fear doing body beast because I am scared to develope a layer of fat over my abs as well as my pull up numbers going down that I worked so hard on (went from 0 in X to being able to do 22 with good form now). Would it be possible for me to gain some mass in my upper body but keeping the bf off? I wouldn't care if it took two rounds instead to see the gains as long as my bf sayed low? Also if my abs could still show better than they are now. Thanks for your input. I appreciate your time coach!!

Bear O
Bear O

Coach - Just finished up the Bulk phase and ran the numbers.  Weight is up to 231 lbs. from 223 lbs. and body fat went from 14% at the start to 12% now (don't ask how it happened because besides working hard, never skipping a workout and being fanatical about the eating I have no idea?)  My question is about the "Beast" phase.  .  Did a little tweaking with macros for the bulk/build phases but stuck to the calorie recommendations.  My ultimate goal is to get my BF to around 7 - 8%, so do you think I should stick with the Body Beast nutrition plan for this last phase or go to the fat shredder? 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Jim54 The program works great for adding mass but where we all have to put in time is with the workouts and getting our nutrition down. The workouts are 30-45 minutes. With food, you probably have never ate enough to really bulk up. You will have to focus on finding how many calories you really need to add weight and then eating those consistently. It is the best program for mass though and it's on sale for $39.90 at the moment! I wouldn't pass it up!

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@triksy You should definitely be at a deficit if you are trying to cut BF. Beast can help too! Check out: http://teamripped.com/body-beast-is-for-losers/

If you are really lean after Insanity, you could do Beast as is too. Dial in your nutrition and stay consistent! No cheating. 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Bjank510 That could work. You could also just lay on the floor. You will have a smaller range of motion, but you could still do presses. Also, if you have a stability ball, Beast has mods for that. They work pretty well too. But yes, you could use P90X. I would probably use Chest/Shoulders/Tris for Build Chest/Tri though. 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@usafsfvet I would do just Beast and yes, you can do it now. Nutrition with any program is what is going to really drive your results. Beast is great for fat loss with its intense lifting. You can build muscle and strength as you cut. I think you'd be happiest with Beast. And they are all 30-45 minute workouts too, so they're short like X3.

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@The_Jaker I would definitely get some bigger dumbbells. 25s, 30s, and more if you need it. Just keep pushing. I would stay at 2700 if it is allowing you to lean out and maintain/build your muscle. If it's working, keep it going!

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Shell_Buck Awesome! I am glad it helped. I wish people would realize that women don"t get bulky from lifting.

I would track and cut fruit/bread as your new goals on MFP dictates. While I was on Fat Shredder, I don't think I really ever had any more than 1 piece of fruit. Rarely did I eat bread too. But that was just while I was cutting BF and at a deficit. Once I had hit my BF goal and upped my calories, I added more fruit back into my diet. 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Alex You can definitely run 40/30/30. I would always listen to your doc. You can do a lot of damage with DBs to 45#. Just go as heavy as you can on the higher rep sets and you will really pre-fatigue your muscles. Beast up man!

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Bear O Definitely. Just have spotter arms or safeties in place. It's harder to drop barbells than it is dumbbells. Beast up!

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Sam91 Use the calculations above. And you could add a couple extra days of cardio a week, but I wouldn't do more. Nutrition and heavy/hard lifting will get you where you want to be!

Sam91
Sam91

oh and i was wondering doing body beast and after that for cardio T25 is that good?

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@KhaledEldeeb1 I checked my email. If your goal is to be ripped, you still need to lose more BF. That takes consistency with nutrition. You have to fully commit to nutrition and do it day in and day out. I would make sure lifting is the main focus of your training. P90 or Body Beast. But if you want to be ripped, you need a deficit still and higher protein (FS or 40/40/20). Check out: www.teamripped.com/calorie-calculator. My P90X/Insanity Hybrid would be a good pick.

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @Jeremy F I can't see it mattering much if you are really lifting hard. Lean Beast will give you at least one day of real cardio a week. But both will work great with the right deficit. 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @coachjavyperez  I did a full round but I had to start and stop as I was traveling internationally a lot during that time (going through our adoption process for our son).

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @apv I like the 1090s. They are longer, but you can really use them fine. 

 

For supps: Shakeology, whey, and creatine. You can use a mass gainer if you end up having trouble getting in all the calories you need.

 

Your strength numbers will always change as you you are focusing on different goals. The goal of Beast is mass, not max reps. If you train differently, then you should expect different results. you could still throw in some big pull up sets but you will be exhausted from the Beast Back workouts and its sets. They are killer. 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @apv You could do it in two rounds, or just use a really small surplus. Bulking and BF really do go together. You won't instantly become obese but you will add BF. The great thing is you can always just change your nutritional goals again to cut. In your case, I would probably recommend doing Beast with a 200-300 calorie surplus. That will be a slow bulk and limit excess BF.

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @Bear O I would go with FS as I have never been a huge fan of 30% dietary fats. That may be just me, but I would rather give those calories to protein or fat. Nice work man! Keep it going!

Shell_Buck
Shell_Buck

@CoachWayne @Shell_Buck I guess I said the thing about bulky because I am on the Women's Body Beast facebook page...and I'm sorry, but some of those women look like men. It's gross. But I also know they got down to having hardly any body fat and then decided to lift big so they've been doing that for years to look like that. That isn't my goal. My biggest concern is still having fat even though I gained muscle. Will gaining more muscle help me burn the fat off? I've been told to keep to the plan even when I showed a few people this article. They told me I should continue to eat 2700 calories a day, which is what Beast recommends. Your recommendation, if I drop 1000 calories is to eat almost 1500/day. Honestly, that seems more tolerable to me because I wasn't hitting the 2700 mark. Will my body go into starvation mode this way? Have you heard of other women who lost weight through beast using your method? Thanks so much!

Sam91
Sam91

@CoachWayne @Sam91  oke thanks but i dont understand the calculations can you help me out please

KhaledEldeeb1
KhaledEldeeb1

So lets say I follow the fat shredder plan with consistency. Woukd you recommend body beast or p90x (while following the fat shredder), Im not into hybrids, so we can rule the hybrid out. So, body beast or p90x? You pick

Bear O
Bear O

 @CoachWayne

 I'd be going from 3700 calories a day to 1900, should I ease into it over a week or so?

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Shell_Buck If you are going for fat loss, you have to be a deficit to do it well. I would start at 1700 and see how you do. If you are losing 1 lb a week, great! If not, then move to 1500 in a couple weeks. The 2700 is a surplus and for gaining weight. And no, no starvation mode. That is like doing 800 calories and extra cardio... crazy stuff.

Sam91
Sam91

@CoachWayne @Sam91  oke thankyou i did and it says i need 2264 calorie a day so Protein 50% 30%carbs 20% Fat? is that a good idea

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Sam91 @CoachWayne Sure thing. Head over to www.teamripped.com/calorie-calculator and use your weight and a 1000 calorie deficit. That will give you a good calorie total. 

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@KhaledEldeeb1 Good results for what? Beast? Have you looked around the R1PP3D Challenge? There are guys getting shredded with Beast. NUTRITION is the key. You have to be consistent, you have to be perfect. Your results with any program are largely the product of your nutrition. Did you check out Jeff Lennon?

KhaledEldeeb1
KhaledEldeeb1

Most probably in the gym. Body beast interestd me more, but I haven't seen amy good results so far.

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@KhaledEldeeb1 I think both are great. What interests you more? Are you at home or working out in a gym?

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @Bear O Sounds like a plan, just keep those calories up until you have to drop them. 

Bear O
Bear O

 @CoachWayne  @Bear O

 thanks coach.  I'll start around 2700 calories at the FS macros and see how it goes.  then after the 3 weeks of the Beast phase just continue into a good old P90X phase and cut a few more calories.

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

 @Bear O YES! And you won't need to go so low. Find out what you believe you maintain at and cut 500 from there. Take two weeks to work down to it. Calories are your friends at this point. You have a nice bank to cut from. You want to slowly work down and only go as low as you need. Otherwise you can crash your metabolic rate. 

Shell_Buck
Shell_Buck

I am back to update. I had to quit BB for awhile because of health issues but did lose 35 pounds from diet changes alone. I am going to start BB back up again and hope to get to my goal but also tone up in the process. Glad I found this article again. Hoping your advice comes in handy!

CoachWayne
CoachWayne moderator

@Shell_Buck That is awesome! Sorry about the set back but you definitely didn't let it slow you down!!! Congrats on the hard work. Nutrition is really the key :-)

Shell_Buck
Shell_Buck

@CoachWayne @Shell_Buck Yes, after hours and hours of trying to lose weight, my issue was food related. I had leaky gut, yeast overgrowth, and adrenal issues. I had to go on a restricted diet because I ended up with 28 different food allergies, all of which are healed now. I gained back 5 pounds due to eating sugar and bread again, but I'm going to try my best to get back to what I was eating with a few more options than what I had since I couldn't even eat eggs on that diet, but now I can. Healthy fats are key, like avocado, sweet potatoes, and coconut oil. I keep trying to tell others that diet is like 90% of losing weight...I lost 35 pounds with no effort physically. That says something and i could have lost more had I stayed on it. Looking forward to starting up again though :)